Mueller qualifies as 2nd base. And Evan, you typify all things evil in this world. How many times have you picked a guy I wanted. May Johnson miss the entire season with a bruised earlobe!
Speaking of Johnson, why in the world did you draft him? Oh, I see. You'll put Cabrera in the OF (with Dunn) and have Fielder as your 1B, Ensberg as 3B, and Johnson as CI. Its nice having guys with multi-position elegibility. I plan on sitting Atkins when he's on the road and moving Tracy to 3rd. I was going to pick Johnson next as my back-up 1B and CI. Back to the drawing board.
Sorry. I was thinking Sosa might be a good pick for you. I have a feeling Sammy will catch on with the Rockies ... unfortunately, on his 12th HR of the year, his bat will shatter and they will find he mistakenly grabbed his BP bat again ... why else would he cork his bat if not for BP? His 600th HR will be wipe off the books and he will retire to the Dominican in shame. He'll be good for 11 though, trust me. Might even get some innings on that Rockies staff.
Jody - players get position elegibility if they play 10 games at a position or start 5 games at a position. Only the previous year and current year count.
Added this post at the end of the original before noticing this thread.
How do bench guys work? In the case of Mueller, would he be able to come in for either 2B or 3B? I'm guessing it depends on how many games they played at the position in the previous year.
Is it only the previous year's positioins? Does Pujols still count as an OF, 1B, or 3B?
I have power over all. A player gains SP/RP elegibility after making 3 appearances there. For our league, you must play a pitcher in his actual role to keep someone from loading up on RP to try and win the WHIP and ERA titles by minimizing their innings pitched.
Why don't the same rules apply to position players then? I don't think it makes sense to do it one way for one set and the other way for the other set. Just because someone plays 5 games at a position doesn't mean that he is capable of playing that position for an entire season competently. Why aren't we trying to keep people from loading up on first basemen and 3rd basemen and playing them as middle IF's? Middle IF's are the weak sister offensively, usually, but they are valued for defense. Defense isn't a fantasy category. Everything's offensive (I'm talking about for position players). Obviously, "them's the rules", but I think they are screwed up. They're illogical. You'd think an engineer would at least do something logical. Perhaps, it's that training as a lawyer sneaking through.
Funny what you say about loading up on relievers. I was thinking of starting a third string catcher to stop the position from sucking down my batting average.
Tom, you can do that for hitting. The main concern is with pitching because there are 2 statistical categories instead of 1 statistical category (the other categories being cumulative, by my definition).
Evan, there are very few players that qualify at both 1B or 3B and a middle infield position. Utley and Garciaparra are a few rare examples. There is no way to start Johnson, Pujols, or anyone else as a middle infielder, so I fail to understand your argument. Usually swapping a guy between 1B, 3B, or OF won't do too much for total production because players at those positions tend to hit about the same.
Waiting blows. For some reason, I am generally quite patient except when it comes to fantasy baseball drafts. Its the anticipation over whether my selected player will get chosen before my turn. Of course, the answer is already "no" since Nick "bruised heel" Johnson and Mike "probably can't hit lefties" Jacobs were already selected, but I have chosen a new knight to lead my army, should he be available.
What would really be funny is if the clock issue causes havoc w/ our new thread for our picks. Funny because Jason would be in charge as the Commish to correct the world we pick in.
She remains a Camden Yards parking lot virgin, does that count? Granted, that will only last until late March... Bet she's thrilled to be in the AL with so many new parking lots to initiate (couldn't bring myself to use the word "christen").
About the same time Barry discovered the mystical powers of flaxseed oil... Actually, the comparison was with the young, skinny Bonds in his mid-Pittsburg days where he'd slug 20-35 homers and steal 40+ bases.
None of us were alive in 1964, so I fail to see how we learned Barry Bonds was Barry Bonds on that date. I doubt any of us heard of Barry Bonds before the 1980's, so that is the earliest any of us realized Barry Bonds was Barry Bonds, even in the most literal sense. I did not realize until minutes ago that Barry Bonds was Barry Lamar Bonds.
Wow, my comment doesn't make nearly as much sense before Michael's comment. I posted it after reading his comment, but somehow the clocks are still screwy and it posted in front of his comment. Blah.
I didn't say he was the next Bonds, I just remember ESPN analysts saying it early in 2004, before he was even traded to the Astros. On that note, he should fire Boras. He would have been much happier and more productive in Houston. A few extra million bucks isn't worth the scrutiny, pressure, and lack of privacy he gets in New York.
According to Roy (who's going to argue with him?), Mike Lowell is eligible at 2B and 3B this year. Obviously, Lowell isn't going to be manning 2nd for me or anyone else in this league ... he's now a member of the Red Sox (although if Ichiro can get drafted, why not Lowell?). Lowell at 2B? Seriously. That's ridiculous.
Why isn't fantasy baseball done like fantasy basketball? For those of you unfamiliar with fantasy basketball, the players are assigned different positions they are eligible at based on their skills. Craig Biggio played CF when Jeff Kent was in Houston. Now, he's back at 2B. Now, he only qualifies as at 2B, but his first year back at 2B he qualified for OF too. It strikes me as being a little odd. Just because Alex Rodriguez doesn't play SS anymore doesn't mean he can't. If Dunn plays 1B all year because the Reds have other guys to patrol the outfield he'll lose his OF/1B versatility.
I'm saving the best (possibly) argument for last. It's a simple numbers game. There are 16 teams in the NL. Thus, assuming each team has one starting 1B, 2B, SS, and 3B, respectively (this is being conservative, since some guys may be devalued, and lost for fantasy purposes, because they platoon), there are 32 starting corner IF's and 32 starting middle IF's. We have 10 teams. We almost had 11, which would have been bad. Why? Well, 10 teams means we need 30 starters at the corners and 30 starters up the middle. With 11, we'd need 33 of each, surpassing the total number available.
Where am I going with this simple numbers game? Bill Mueller and Nomar Garciaparra are projected to start at 3B and 1B for the Dodgers. They are projected to be middle IF's in our league. I have Cabrera and Dunn, both projected to start at corner spots, pushed to the OF. Thus, between Tom and I, we have decreased the number of corner IF starters to 28, with 30 needed. That just doesn't jive very well.
Jason said: "On that note, (Beltran) should fire Boras. He would have been much happier and more productive in Houston. A few extra million bucks isn't worth the scrutiny, pressure, and lack of privacy he gets in New York."
I agree completely...and at the time of the signing, my biggest argument was this: he is not even being paid more. So he is making $119 million over 7 years in New York compared to $107 million that Houston offered over the same time period. Do you have any idea what the cost of living difference is between Houston and New York?
Well, I will tell you.
The average home price (3000sqft) in suburban New York is $950,000 (which is drastically lowered by the many skethcy areas), whereas the same stat for the Houston area is $310,000. Thats more than triple. And with 100 being the mean, the cost of living index for the New York City area is 204, with Houston being 99. And with groceries costing 1.5 times as much in the NYC area, and gas costing 25 cents more per gallon than Houston...Beltran is actually making significantly LESS money by signing with the Mets for $119 million than if he had signed with the Astros for $107.
So, not only did Boras not care about Beltrans happiness or productivity, he didnt even care about Beltran's pockets...only his own. Sad, but true.
You know, I would have picked Bonds earlier in the draft than what he went except the mere thought of having him (or pretty much any other Giant) on my team is just about enough to make me vomit. Yet isn't it weird how I actually despise the city of LA and am moving to SF as soon as I wash my hands of this dirty army commitment in six weeks (but I'm not bitter about it)... I guess I'll learn to be an A's fan. I love Billy Bean (and Frank Thomas really does have some production left in him).
Regarding Evan's comments about middle infielders, you have to remember that Jeff Kent is probably going to be a 1B for Michael. Plus, there will probably be at least one or two teams that will be platooning at third (I think those players are also on Michael's roster--ha). So there will be some balance, but you're right that the third CI is probably going to be really weak on a couple teams.
It gets worse for some of us (read me) where closers come in. With only 16 teams and ten of us, you'd think everyone could've gotten at least one closer. But I waited and found myself without even the prospective closers Reitsma and Gonzalez.
I disagree with two things Michael said: (1) cost of living isn't an issue for people making over $100 million dollars. Beltran isn't going to be living in a $100k house in Houston or a $950k house in NY. He probably bought himself a pretty nice place for a couple million to stay in during home stands while the season is ongoing. I doubt he's staying there during the offseason. So cost of living in NY is only of minimal importance to CB.
(2) Michael does not, in fact, rule. For those of you that don't know, Michael is moving today from beautiful Santa Barbara to New Jersey. These are not the actions of one who rules.
I don't know Michael, but I've been to Dirty Jersey, and I question the motives of anyone moving there. I'm guessing that he's starting a new career in the distribution of crack cocaine. Of course I also find it odd that anyone from Alaska would move to Texas or New Orleans or anywhere else in the South (Roy, you're borderline here).
In my opinion playing Kent at 1B would be a complete waste. Freel has 2B, 3B, and OF eligibility so he can play just about anywhere accept C.
I agree with Evan that 5 games is too few. In other leagues that I've played in it's been 20 games at a position to get eligibility. The fact that Bill Mueller is 2B eligible is ridiculous. Of course it's too late to change things now...
What? Mueller has spent his entire career as a second baseman. You probably didn't notice because they defensively shift him almost all the way to the left side of the infield while simultaneously shifting the third baseman over to the right side of second base. Interesting strategy, but it works.
Its easy to say 5 games is too few when they are no longer playing that position. 5 games can seem like an eternity when you are waiting during the season for a guy to gain elegibility. For instance, Chad Tracy is starting at 3rd this year, but didn't play an inning there last season. He's going to be my 1B now since I missed out on Jacobs/Johnson/LaRoche, but my initial plan was to have him as my 3B, meaning I would have to draft a stop-gap 3B for the first week of the season. Of course, I ended up drafting Atkins so its all moot.
My point is that the system isn't perfect, but its much worse to have to wait 20 games during the season for a player to gain elegibility. Especially when someone is a rookie and has no elegibility while you wait 3+ weeks for them to play enough to stick in your lineup.
Cost of living thing is fun so I thought I'd jump in:
1. Beltran probably rents an apt in NY. I would to avoid property taxes.
2. No income tax in Texas. If he owned a house, he would have to pay property taxes.
He should rent either way, but if he rented in either place, he would make MORE money in Texas because he wouldn't pay as much income tax as NY.
Also, we wouldn't know Barry Bonds was Barry Lamar Bonds until someone tapped on the glass of your nursery the day you were born and told you he existed. That would be November 29, 1976 for myself. In reality, I didn't find out who Barry Lamar Bonds was until told so by Tom Mees, Bob Lee, and Charlie Steiner on ESPN in the early 90s. Before that, me, Bobby Bonilla, Andy Van Slyke, and Jim Leyland had no reason to care.
If I had to put money on it, I'd say LaRoche will play 1B for Michael, not Kent. Kent will be at 2B. That's where he is valuable. Not many 2B left who will match Adam's production.
Evan, if you want to adopt Justin's 20 games for elegibility rule in protest, feel free. Of course, I don't think Fielder would have elegibility yet, so please keep him on your bench the first few weeks of the season in protest.
Depends on what the tax level is. If state income tax is 3%, then 3% of $100,000,000 is $3,000,000. Quite a bit of money. I'm not sure what the rate is in NY, nor do I care enough to find out (though its probably not hard). Between the income tax and the cost of living differences, the money was probably about equal between Houston and New York.
Scott Boras is bad for baseball. Oddly enough, A-Rod is one of the few instances where I don't have a problem with the contract. That was Texas being stupid to pay that much and shouldn't be blamed on Boras. We can blame Boras for Kenny Rogers getting any money and for Jared Weaver thinking he is Mark Prior.
I didn't realize he played 39 games. For some reason, Yahoo! never added him last year so I just assumed he did not meet their elegibility requirements.
I just looked at his info on Yahoo! He played 7 games at 1B (can't tell how many he started), 4 as DH, 29 as pinch hitter, and 1 as pinch hitter for DH. Its conceivable that 3 of the games he played in as a 1B were as a substitution, meaning he really shouldn't be elegible at 1B (and explaining why he wasn't added last year).
Evan, its good to see you abandoning your principles and ideals to your personal benefit. What are you, a member of the Bush administration?
Jeez, I lay down a nice bit of smack and the responses dry up. The least someone can do is give me a little feedback before I am thrown into guantanamo bay prison as an enemy combatant and denied counsel and hearing or transported to a country where torture is allowed and, well, you know...
Was your "smack" related to state income taxes? That would be lame. I don't think there will be Gitmo for you, you'll get sent to "federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison." Besides, we all know your a closet Republican.
It frightens me that I'm saying this, but I think I would prefer the "federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison" to the aforementioned alternatives.
I am not a closet anything, I despise both political parties these days. There are some individual politicians I have respect for on both sides, but since Colin Powell and Christine Todd-Whitman (there's some New Jersey for you Michael!) are no longer in the administration, I feel like I can just toss out blanket comments without regret or though (federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison or extra-territorial prisons, notwithstanding).
No, Jason, I just had people for office hours. I never said that people should have to play 20 games to qualify. I never said people should have to play any games to qualify. People should qualify at the positions they are going to play! Fielder is going to start at 1B ... he should qualify at 1B! It is illogical to have players not qualify at a position. That seems like something someone from Texas would come up with (I should know, my in-laws are from TX)! Nomar should qualify at 1B because that is where he is going to play. I don't think he can play SS any more. I don't know how this turned into me campaigning for my guys to qualify at more spots ... oh wait ... I know ... it's one of your slimy lawyer tactics. Tricky. But, I'm not falling for it.
Obviously, it was a joke. You can believe it was a slimy lawyer tactic though, its more fun that way. I knew what your real argument was, I just felt like trying to twist your words into something I could rant about since Peter has apparently dropped either (a) off the face of the earth or (b) into a spleen.
I could care less where anyone plays; however, I wish no ill will on anyone, but I hope Nomar and his groin don't spend much time on the bench.
Heard earlier that Bonds's bum knee is pretty much bone-on-bone now and that he's not expected to play more than 100 games. He'll really need to produce on those 3-4 pitches that he can hit per game.
NY state income tax rate is 4% (sort of work related thus the readiness of info).
For what it's worth, I voted for Bush (et al) but not for LA Gov. Kathleen "It's Bush's fault he made Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans" Blanco or Mayor "Willy Wonka" Nagin (not eligible - outside city limits).
I didn't have time to get Evan's back earlier. I was busy finding out that the baby we're expecting in May will be a little girl!!! Momma's happy.
And we all know that if Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy...
Randy Johnson is also bone-on-bone in his knee and it seems like pitching would be a lot worse than hitting. Any guesses why there has never been talk about moving Bonds to 1B? Is he scared of grounders or something, because it would be a lot easier on his knee (see Berkman, Lance). It would keep his bat in the lineup more. He could play 1B against righties (sit Niekro) and LF against lefties. Just a thought.
They should just trade him to the Angels. I don't think it's the hitting, I think it's the running and stopping that is bad for Bonds.
Why do we only have 5 SP's? With 6 IF's, 1 C, and 4 OF, that's 11/8 = 1.375. Rounding up to 1.4 ... 1.4 *5 = 7 starting pitchers. Why only 3 relievers? Most teams carry about 6.
One reason is because one bad pitcher can kill a team a lot more than one bad hitter. Plus, we're not trying to mirror real-life bullpens in this league.
I think I deserve a little more respect ... I may be the youngest in the group, but I'm doing the most to save all you New Orleanians from another disaster!
While I hold my breath hoping that someone contacts him before he falls asleep and leaves us in agony for another 8-10 hrs, I had to laugh. Really would have been funny if he selected Ichiro and Lamar Bonds...
Sorry about the long wait. I didn't anticipate the breath taking speed of the picks that yesterday carried. Once again I was in the middle of 30hr shift. Too show my dedication, I just walked in the door - saw it was my turn - and made my picks. Probably not a smart move considering I last slept 32.5 hrs ago. Oh well. And Jason - those are pretty much in line with priorities, but the damn VA computer system won't let me get access at work. Fantasy baseball = 1st. Patient care = 2nd.
Now I have created a conundrum. How do we know that Peter actually made those picks? I would lean toward believing it was Peter, given the reference to the VA and the fact that unpicked players were actually chosen. But it could be Tom, Evan, Jody, or any number of other people trying to turn my joke against me. Therefore, the wait will continue unless someone has knowledge superior to my own (such as Peter emailing them).
If that was Peter, great pick with Cameron. He was definitely on my radar, especially given his recent statements that he wants to attempt 45 stolen bases this year. Yikes.
If Tom got an email (and presumably Wonka got one too), then we're good to go. Please, no one make pretend picks like this in the future, as it will create confusion. As much as a laugh as I got doing it, its not worth the headache since we can all theoretically post under each other's names.
Cameron and Hardy were two of the 3 guys I wanted with my next pick. My #1 option is still available, we'll see if he makes it to me. I think it was better when we weren't picking...
According to the FBI, identity theft is the fastest growing crime. Or something like that. I keep hearing it on the radio. The safest defense is constant vigilance. Or you can call this 1-800 number that they give.
It doesn't matter, he'll be on my bench. Same rule for Clemens, since that's what you really want to know. You need to have 5 guys that are active starting pitchers. A 5th starter who gets skipped occasionally is OK and a pitcher who makes spot starts and some long relief, but doesn't have 3 relief appearances in a row can also be a starter. It is OK to have an inactive reliever in your active lineup, but you must fill your starting pitcher spots. I want to avoid having people with great relievers winning the WHIP and ERA titles just by not using 5 starters.
Heilman seems like a curious pick. Perhaps, he turned the corner last year (3.17 ERA), but he pitched out of the bullpen most the time (46 of 53 games). I guess with what's left out there, risky guys are as good as guys who you know won't be any good.
I was thinking of McCann, but there are still a ton of catchers available. I'm worried he'll have a bit of a drop-off like Estrada did. Encarnacion was also on my list, but I was still waiting another round or too. His low AVG scared me a way a bit.
Its an interesting point in the draft where managers have to choose between three drafting styles: (1) fill empty positions (this can be done in conjunction with the next two); (2) draft young, unproven, inexperienced players (who may not even get starting spot); and (3) draft a proven but unspectacular veteran.
Probably a good balance of all three results in the best team.
Yeah, drafting Reyes and Wood obviously means I need another SP somewhere. Not too much left on the board now. The young prospects are getting less proven or more of an injury concern and the veterans are getting worse. Hmm.
Maybe two, but if they pay off, you have a good staff without a huge investment. I was thinking of taking another SP, who I now see will be out until the All-Star break ... glad I didn't go that route. I'll take my chances with a young gun over someone who's injured any day.
All this talk about starting pitchers reminds me that I only have three..."oh, the worry". Should I curse my decision to draft a veteran outfielder and another 2B last round? Maybe. But from years of fantasy baseball experience, you can never have too many middle infielders who dont suck.
Unfortunately for me, I am once again on call tomorrow night. So, with the expectation that tomorrow the draft will once again pick up at its superb pace of last week and in an effort to avoid the confusion of last week, I have emailed Jason a list of players so that he may draft for me. Of course, who knows if this is really me typing this message. This is crazy. I definitely think this whole system is flawed (yes, commish I'm looking your way). Not to point fingers or anything. Oh well....
I meant to comment on Colorado's Luis Gonzalez. He's not super spectacular with the bat, maybe .295-.300 with 15 HR, but he has ridiculous position flexibility. Everything but catcher - 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, and OF. Nice to have him on your team if someone gets injured!
Going back to Heilman, he'll get a shot as the #5 this year and I'm sure if he does well with it, it won't be too hard to bump Zambrano or Trachsel out of the #4 spot. That was my thinking, and he'll get a ass-load of Ks if he gets the innings in.
FYI to all, if Zack doesn't make his picks before work (he's on the west coast), then we probably won't make much progress today, as I don't think he has internet access at work. Always subject to change of course, but if he doesn't pick in the next couple hours then don't expect too much. I do have queues for Michael, Justin, and Peter though.
In my defense of "this system" of drafting, I disagree that it is flawed. If you registered as a blogger like Evan, Roy, Jody, or I have, then no one would be able to impersonate you. This is because all our names have links to our profiles and you need a password. Only people who post as "other" or as "anonymous" leave themselves open to the possibility of being impersonated. So maybe the system has a flaw, but it is easily corrected and avoidable.
I'm going to go ahead and slightly break my own rules. I bet everyone is glad they did not draft Brian Lawrence (torn labrum and rotator cuff - out for most or all of season) or an unnamed Pirates pitcher (100% blockage from blood clot, probably needs surgery and will be out for year). Neither is all that great in the first place, but there isn't much worse in fantasy baseball life then seeing your covetted players injured before the season starts...
I think I'd rather be known as unnamed than Kip anyday. And I don't mind the system. Security concerns aside (which is hardly a concern), this gives me something to do during the day. I mean, uh, something besides diligently working.
I was going to post those two ... Lawrence had some good years a couple back ... he's the guy I was considering ... but I didn't want to break the rules.
Blame me ... he thought he'd slip another couple of rounds, but I assured him he needed to take him now or he wouldn't get him. Sorry. I'm the axis of evil, all by myself.
Roy is pure evil. Just when I though Jackson had slipped by enough people for me to take him, Roy snatches him. And its no excuse that Roy is just covering his Tony Clark pick-up, it is still evil. Evil. Make sure we have enough goat blood for two sacrafices!
I am hearing rumors that Mark Grace is poised for a career year, just fyi. He has been compared, favorably by some, to Todd Helton, so he's a steal at this point in the draft.
I thought about Sullivan but decided I still had too many holes to fill. Guess you weren't as concerned about your holes. I wouldn't be as concerned either, as pitching holes are easier to fill than hitting holes.
I thought about Randa. He's a guy where you know almost exactly what you will get. .280, 70 runs, 12-15 HR, and 70-80 RBI. Hard to turn down that kind of consistent production this late in the draft and he's a good pick.
Thanks....as you know from my queue, I strgonly considered taking Joe "help me" Randa with 16.2 but went for pitching instead....I never thought he'd still be around at 17.9. I am not so big on unproven prospects (I say this as I took Francoeur in the 6th)...but if you can guarantee me .280, 12, 75, and 30 doubles...I'll take that anyday.
Don't draft Bret Boone, he retired today. Don't draft Kip Wells (at least for this season), he elected to undergo surgery to remove a blood clot that should keep him out most or all of the season.
If anyone is wondering about my strategy of drafting 3 pitchers (Reyes, Olsen, Petit) without guaranteed starting spots, here it is! Young pitchers are very unreliable and injury prone. I expect one will flop and have poor stats, one will spend the whole season in the minors or most of the season on the DL, and one will fulfill his potential and be a good starting pitcher this year. There's a chance all three will succeed this year, but I doubt it. More likely, I will drop at least one of these guys like a bad habit. However, this gives me protection in case the first guy I drafted (Reyes) doesn't start or in case the 2nd guy I drafted (Olsen) is beat out for a rotation spot by the 3rd guy I drafted (Petit).
Players with longer names tend to get injured more frequently, its a scientifically proven fact. Think Garciaparra. I'm sweating bullets over Zambrano this year. Five letters is pretty short, so I feel a bit safer with these guys.
Lets see if this miraculously posts before Evan's comment even though I'm writing it after.
If Glendon Rusch is a projected starter this year, but he ends up in the bullpen after the first month, does he still count? He made ~30 appearances out of the bullpen last year while starting 19 games.
Jason has 11 players that have 5 or fewer letters in their last name. Bigs, you are a scientific anamoly to know all of that stuff. Do you ever leave your computer?
Once a pitcher makes three appearances in a row as a starter or reliever, he must be used in that role until his role changes. Rusch can start the season as a starter or reliever for you. However, if he makes 3 starts without a relief appearance, he can't be used as a reliever (until after his next relief appearance). If he makes 3 relief appearances without a start, he can't be used as a starter (until he next makes a start).
Oh yeah, I made that thing up about the length of a player's name. I didn't realize I had that many players with short last names. Maybe the added weight of stitching extra letters onto the back of their uniforms causes injuries over the course of a lifetime...
I looked at the league and can't even find Reyes, so I may not be able to play him anywhere initially. Yahoo! official rules say that a pitcher becomes available after 3 starts or 5 relief appearances. Last year, Reyes made 1 start and 3 relief appearances. Yahoo! doesn't have him available for any position. The problem is, they have Yusmeiro Petit available, who hasn't even sniffed the major leagues yet, let alone made an appearance (let alone made 4 appearances). I emailed them to see if the can add Reyes...
Ouch. Just looked at Justin's queue. His top 2 players were Duffy and Church, who were picked the two spots before Justin's pick. Had to go with his 3rd option, who probably has more upside than either of the other two but is less guaranteed of playing time. He's gonna think I sent his queue out to everyone again...
So, if Rusch makes 3 starts then makes 3 relief appearances w/out a start, then his stats don't count for either a reliever or starter? I think that's right. Potentially, can he flip-flop all year and there be a period of time where his stats don't count until he establishes his pitching domain?
I'm waiting for some blockbuster trade to go down between a couple of NL teams and a couple of AL teams to see how well Jason will handle the picking/repicking/compensation. I think you can handle it, Commish.
Hey, is Benito Santiago officially retired? Just curious. I thought he was still kicking around in the minors last I heard.
His stats will always count, you just might have to keep flip-flopping him between a SP and an RP. For a guy that is legitimately switching between RP and SP or acting as a spot starter, I will be more lenient. However, the real issue is if a player (say Reyes) starts the year as a reliever, but then moves into the rotation. Once he's had 3 straight starts, he has to be moved into a SP spot instead of an RP spot because he is clearly a SP.
Backe is a good pick. I thought of him instead of Petit or Olsen. I don't think he has as much potential, but he's really pitched well down the stretch the last few years and he could probably put together a full season with an ERA around 3.50 if he doesn't walk so many guys.
I am thinking of making a change to the league format to avoid some of these SP/RP problems. If anyone has a problem, please let me know.
Each team will still have to carry 5 SP and 3 RP. However, to avoid the problems with player elegibility, I was thinking of having 4 SP spots, 2 RP spots, and 2 P spots (P = either elegible as RP or SP). Each manager will be responsible for using the honor system to keep one P spot filled with a relief pitcher and one P spot filled with a starting pitcher. However, this will allow managers to react more quickly when a pitcher's role changes. I will police people's teams occasionally to make sure no one is abusing the system by having an extra SP or an extra RP.
Please respond to this proposed rule change in the next week via email or as a comment. Majority rules.
How does this matter if we need to keep a SP and RP in the P position? Flexibility isn't really gained. If Gagne gets a start in the middle of the season, you still his stats from that start applied to your pitching categories. If Rusch is moved around, back and forth, and Jody plays him wherever he qualifies when the roster is set for that week, it shouldn't matter. Am I missing something?
Last year Hector Carrasco (now with the Angels) was a reliever most of the year, but began starting games late in the season. He did not have SP elegibility until after 3 starts, even though he was elegible as a reliever. Likewise, before Gagne became a closer he was a starting pitcher. I'm not certain, but I believe he would have qualified only as a SP at the beginning of his first season as a closer.
This idea really only helps immediately after a pitcher changes roles after being elegible in another role, where Yahoo! has not yet given the player elegibility at the new role.
As a serious disclaimer, Reyes, for some unknown reason, is elegible as a P, but not an RP or SP. I do have a small stake in the outcome, hence the majority rules approach.
Is the flexibility gained in the yahoo definition of a pitcher as a SP, RP or SP/RP? That's the only thing I can see. If this isn't the "added flexibility", I too am confused.
I think it's a good rule ... like I said earlier, it doesn't make sense for someone to be in the league but not qualify at a position. It's absurd (or enter your own word if you'd like). I was wondering this morning, why doesn't yahoo use a percentage to determine eligibility, or a combination of percents and real numbers ... it would be simple and would definitely improve the system. Then, we wouldn't run into problems like the Reyes one ... or position players not being eligible at any position.
But if a pitcher on a roster as a RP starts a few games, that player's stats still count. It is the same benefit as having a 2B who can be played as an OF even if he never actually plays it during the course of the year. The flexibility here, though, is only shortlived until he takes on the new role as SP more permanently. The more I think about it, the more that that flexibility would have been worth looking for when I was making my pitching decisions. I don't see how the P changes anything.
The new rule won't actually change anything within our league rules set-up ... it will just allow people like the commish (who picked guys who may not have eligibility) to use those players, where they should be used (this is the important part). So, it shouldn't really change the way you would have picked unless you passed on someone because you saw that yahoo didn't have the eligible as a SP even though that was going to be their role.
I think it just going to be rookies (young guys) and the odd case where someone changes roles (i.e. Smoltz, Gagne becoming closers ... Smoltz returning to the starting rotation).
Too late for this, but it might also be interesting to have a league with 5 starters, 2 middle relief, and 1 or 2 closers as the pitching staff. Put an emphasis on finding decent set-up men
It is an odd-case where a stud (Smoltz) switches roles or where the guy who switches roles becomes a stud (Gagne). However, in a deep NL-only league such as ours, there are players to switch roles every year that could potentially affect the league outcome. Think Ryan Madson, Aaron Heilman (though he pitched in both roles last year), etc.
Actually, since this league has 3 relief pitchers per team and there are only a max of 16 full-time closer in the NL, almost 1/2 of our relief pitcher spots will be filled with set-up men. Decent set-up men like Linebrink and Wheeler are very important in this league. Crappy set-up men like Danys Baez can ruin fantasy baseball seasons!
F you Bigelow. What this league does is emphasize saves. Certain people (Evan) that took three 40 save guys don't need set-up men, which throws off how a team should be built. My vision would be more put us in the position of real GMs--find one good closer, maybe a back-up, and some decent middle relief.
That's true. However, the managers who took 3 closers by-passed the opportunity to take a better hitter or starting pitcher and will be a little handicapped in those areas. Plus, closers as a whole are notoriously unreliable and injury prone. Off the top of my head, the Dodgers, Giants, Rockies, D-Backs, Cubs, Brewers, Reds, Pirates, and Braves all had multiple closers last year. Some of those teams had 3 different closers over the course of the year. It may not be quite as bad this year, but at least a few proven closers will get injured (Benitez, Gagne, etc. last year), a few unproven closers will flop (Adams, Kolb, etc. last year), and a few unheralded pitchers will rise up to get a bunch of saves. Cheap saves are always available during the season if you pay attention and pick up guys as free agents or off waivers quickly.
Wow, just looked at the NL saves leaders from last year. Both the Braves (XXXX, Reitsma, Farnsworth) and the D-Backs (XXXX, XXXXXX, and Valverde) had three pitchers with 10-15 saves. The Giants had two with around 20 each. By the way, each "X" represents an actual letter. The guys with fewer X's (at least in this example) had more injury problems than the guys with longer names. Guess I was wrong.
I drafted Rusch w/ his ability to start or relieve in mind. If I started him as a SP on a Monday and he became a reliever on Tuesday, it wouldn't be any different than someone getting put on the DL on Tuesday for a week until I could change my lineup.
I like the rule change for two reasons: 1)I have a guy who was in this situation last year and 2)I'm all for seeing someone excel in the league because they made good picks not because someone else had a guy that changed positions mid-week and aren't eligible for a few days and can't gain points as a result.
Getting hurt is a different story. That's a risk we all have.
Is it my fault we're having this whole discussion?
Yes, its mostly your fault. However, it has been an issue in Zack's league the past couple of years. The main issue with his league is that innings pitched is a category for which managers get points. Consequently, managers sometimes try to slip a starting pitcher in as a reliever or get very frustrated when their starting pitcher isn't elegible as a starting pitcher.
I think that brings back my confusion: even if the RP starts, his stats should still count as long as he was on the roster at the position he was eligible for.
The next issue is if a position player pitches. Will his stats count? What about when Marquis pinch hits?
The pitchers stats count (for pitching, not batting - whether the D-Train hits 9th or 2nd, or SF uses pitchers in the 4 hole when Bonds sits) no matter where they are ... but you move them around based on what their role has been lately. The stats will still count if you use them incorrectly, you'll just get a slap on the wrist from our favorite commish.
Sometimes, closers jump ship to be on other teams (see Farnsworth - Yankees - Braves, Baez - D-Rays - Dodgers) even though they'll be setting up. If we're going to have 5 starters and 3 relievers (1 being a closer), should we also have equally distributed hitters, spots 1-8 in the order? I have actually thought of this ... but then shouldn't your players stats be adjusted to the number of AB's they'd get on your cumulative team, not based in reality, with runs and rbi's adjusted too?
I never could tell when the time was right to draft Mike Gonzalez or Bill Fuentes. Besides, I figured I could pursue a trade with one of the more stacked teams.
I don't think it would be bad to have more realistic line-ups. It seems odd that I can play Lee and Delgado at the same time and the same position, while playing another 1B (Nomar) at SS. Maybe some system could be worked out where the stats of the extra CI or MI are a percentage of what they actually do in games (25% of Delgado's stats because he's my #2).
That would also make it more fun because you would have to decide on a weekly basis which one of your star first basemen you want to get full credit for on any particular week.
I agree that something more realistic would be more fun ... perhaps Roy and I will develop something before next season rolls around. The correct answer to when to take Mike Gonzalez or Brian Fuentes is the round before they are going to be selected. Obviously, this is easier said than done.
Lots of sports websites have depth charts, including closers. You can easily discover who Fuentes or Gonzalez are by going to www.rotoworld.com or www.sportsline.com/mlb
F$#@. There's nothing like coming in in the morning to see that my two top picks were stolen right in front of me. This is about the 10th time in 10 Mother F$#@ing rounds that Nate or Roy has plucked the one or two F$#@ing players that I wanted right F$#@ing ahead of me. F$#@. What's the deal, you guys don't need F$#@ing outfielders, why are you stealing my F$#@ing Duffy and my F$#@ing Church. Jose F$#@ing Guillen is hurt (somehow I neglected to notice that when I drafted the F$#@er) and I'm the one that needs another F$#@ing OFer, not you.
Though Jason's right, that F$#@er Nady does have more upside, just not a guaranteed starting spot.
At least that other NY F$#@er, Pedro Mother F$#@ing Martinez, isn't playing in this stupid F$#@ing WBC.
That's all the F$#@ing ranting for now. Thanks for listening.
My intent wasn't to start drafting so many minor leaguers, but I still need a CI and if Shealy gets 300 at-bats, 1/2 in Coors, then he'll probably out-hit anyone remaining. Michael grabbed Randa before me and I was thinking about Koskie for this spot, but decided he wouldn't get many at-bats more than Shealy (plus Nate grabbed him).
Nice rant Justin. If it makes you feel any better, Guillen is trying to be ready for the start of the season and reports so far are good.
Unless Kato knew about Guillen's wrist before me, looks like Guillen is now out because of a wrist injury. Before, I just knew he was recovery from a shoulder injury last year. Good luck with Nady.
Nady ... 4-4 last night ... unfortunately, he's always hot in March and starts to nose-dive about the time the regular season starts. That said, I (Evan) was hoping to snag him cheap just in case this was the year he figured out how to hit ML pitching.
Shealy will play bench. Actually, he might either compete or platoon with Hawpe in (right or left?) field. He'll also back-up Helton, give Helton the occasional day off, and replace Helton if he gets injured (where is that voodoo doll...). Unless he beats Hawpe outright and gets the majority of the playing time in an outfield spot, he's probably not worth much. There isn't much left as CI though, I waited too long putzing around with AAA starting pitchers.
Well at least its on his knee instead of his shoulder or elbow. Now I need 2 of my 3 young guns to make their respective rotations or I will be stuck cruising the waiver wire.
No one is wagering in this league at this point. If anyone is interested in throwing $20 into a pot and then letting the top 2 or 3 teams split the winnings, let me know. I will throw in $20 if there is enough interst, otherwise I don't really care.
Oh where to start? 1. you're welcome 2. we know you're too lazy 3. "whoop-de-doo" is something my mom would write 4. you still, in fact, do not rule 5. you will not win this league 6. try not to play in this league while inside of a runaway 7. what exactly does one do in a "freakin bubble"? 8. finally, where would one find such a product?
1. I appreciate that 2. Dont assume things, maybe I have changed, but just not in regards to this particular issue. 3. Sorry..."whoop-de-dreakin-doo is the modern day nomenclature. 4. How would you know if I rule or not? Judging by most of my draft picks, I do, indeed rule. However, judging by my salary, I indeed do not. 5. I will win this league and you are nobody to trell me I wont. 6. It is nice and comfortable inside of a runaway and I will stay here, thank you very much. 7. One "freaks out" in a freakin bubble...like in the 60s when people would go on "freak outs" to scare the squares. 8. At your local Home Depot, K-Mart, or Costco.
1. Regarding your runaway, what's his name? 2. If I'm correct, I believe "Uptown Girl" is the song to freak people out to--does that play in your bubble?
Where can I get the list you all are using titled: "Guys no one has ever heard of!" I'd like to make my future selections from the list, as that seems to be the "in thing".
I did my Taylor research ... apparently he was a stud who had some control problems and then lost his velocity after a bar fight injury to his shoulder. Well, actually, I read someone else's research. However, he did get a nice signing bonus ... $1.5 million. I could use one of those. My wife only got 15%. Unfortunately, she doesn't make $10 million in salary.
that's better than my signing bonus with the army... I got a nice set of tan, suede boots and a one-year, all expenses paid luxury vacation to sunny Southwest Asia...
26 more days assuming there are no more stop-losses (or whatever thay call it that keeps guys past their commitment dates).
Brien Taylor was one of the most hyped prospects ever. He was the #1 overall pick to the Yankees and everyone was immediately talking about how he was a sure-fire future cy young contender, etc. etc. They he blew out his arm and never made it past all the hype. A warning to fantasy owners who draft young, speculative pitchers like Olsen, Reyes, and Petit. Oops...
An interesting small story about Taylor...a guy who just started working w/ us (Rick) was in AA w/ the Yankees around the same time Taylor was in the minors.
Rick was called up to AAA Columbus then had a guy trip behind him while walking down the steps in the stands and fall on Rick's back. Ended up ruining Rick's career. Dislocated non-throwing shoulder and shredded ligaments and cartilage in left knee (throws lefty). I'd like to see him throw. Says he threw a screwball.
Sorry for the length of time it took for me to make my pick. Today was my first day off since 2/21, so I slept in a little bit. Plus, it's getting so much harder to make picks considering everyone now is trying to find the ultimate sleeper. I must also say that many of you have way too much time to spare if you can carry on for so long about Brien Taylor. I can't believe we're almost done with this thing. Who would have thought.
Hmmm. Taking a long time to make these last few picks. I'm very pleased with the speed of the draft in general though, great job staying on top of your picks everyone. Please register your team in the league (I sent out email instructions before the draft) if you have not done so. I can't post the draft results (when complete) until everyone is registered.
If you look at some of our rosters, we already did a minor league draft. I mean I probably have 5 guys that will start the year in AAA.
No minor league draft. This league is more for fun and I know some of the guys aren't serious enough fantasy players to be interested in a minor league draft.
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Apparently, we all need to synchronize out computer clocks.
10:41 AM, February 23, 2006
I'll trade him to your for Mr. Beltran.
10:41 AM, February 23, 2006
Mueller qualifies as 2nd base. And Evan, you typify all things evil in this world. How many times have you picked a guy I wanted. May Johnson miss the entire season with a bruised earlobe!
10:43 AM, February 23, 2006
Speaking of Johnson, why in the world did you draft him? Oh, I see. You'll put Cabrera in the OF (with Dunn) and have Fielder as your 1B, Ensberg as 3B, and Johnson as CI. Its nice having guys with multi-position elegibility. I plan on sitting Atkins when he's on the road and moving Tracy to 3rd. I was going to pick Johnson next as my back-up 1B and CI. Back to the drawing board.
10:46 AM, February 23, 2006
Sorry. I was thinking Sosa might be a good pick for you. I have a feeling Sammy will catch on with the Rockies ... unfortunately, on his 12th HR of the year, his bat will shatter and they will find he mistakenly grabbed his BP bat again ... why else would he cork his bat if not for BP? His 600th HR will be wipe off the books and he will retire to the Dominican in shame. He'll be good for 11 though, trust me. Might even get some innings on that Rockies staff.
10:49 AM, February 23, 2006
Jody - players get position elegibility if they play 10 games at a position or start 5 games at a position. Only the previous year and current year count.
10:53 AM, February 23, 2006
Added this post at the end of the original before noticing this thread.
How do bench guys work? In the case of Mueller, would he be able to come in for either 2B or 3B? I'm guessing it depends on how many games they played at the position in the previous year.
Is it only the previous year's positioins? Does Pujols still count as an OF, 1B, or 3B?
10:53 AM, February 23, 2006
Wow, posts are totally screwed up in terms of timing. Weird, this hasn't happened before.
10:53 AM, February 23, 2006
I have power over all. A player gains SP/RP elegibility after making 3 appearances there. For our league, you must play a pitcher in his actual role to keep someone from loading up on RP to try and win the WHIP and ERA titles by minimizing their innings pitched.
11:10 AM, February 23, 2006
Why don't the same rules apply to position players then? I don't think it makes sense to do it one way for one set and the other way for the other set. Just because someone plays 5 games at a position doesn't mean that he is capable of playing that position for an entire season competently. Why aren't we trying to keep people from loading up on first basemen and 3rd basemen and playing them as middle IF's? Middle IF's are the weak sister offensively, usually, but they are valued for defense. Defense isn't a fantasy category. Everything's offensive (I'm talking about for position players). Obviously, "them's the rules", but I think they are screwed up. They're illogical. You'd think an engineer would at least do something logical. Perhaps, it's that training as a lawyer sneaking through.
Did you erase my previous comment?
11:18 AM, February 23, 2006
Funny what you say about loading up on relievers. I was thinking of starting a third string catcher to stop the position from sucking down my batting average.
11:21 AM, February 23, 2006
Tom, you can do that for hitting. The main concern is with pitching because there are 2 statistical categories instead of 1 statistical category (the other categories being cumulative, by my definition).
Evan, there are very few players that qualify at both 1B or 3B and a middle infield position. Utley and Garciaparra are a few rare examples. There is no way to start Johnson, Pujols, or anyone else as a middle infielder, so I fail to understand your argument. Usually swapping a guy between 1B, 3B, or OF won't do too much for total production because players at those positions tend to hit about the same.
11:26 AM, February 23, 2006
Waiting blows. For some reason, I am generally quite patient except when it comes to fantasy baseball drafts. Its the anticipation over whether my selected player will get chosen before my turn. Of course, the answer is already "no" since Nick "bruised heel" Johnson and Mike "probably can't hit lefties" Jacobs were already selected, but I have chosen a new knight to lead my army, should he be available.
1:25 PM, February 23, 2006
You didn't like the deal on the table for Beltran?
1:41 PM, February 23, 2006
Carlos Beltran is the next Barry Bonds. So sayeth the wisemen at ESPN two years ago. Doh!
1:44 PM, February 23, 2006
What would really be funny is if the clock issue causes havoc w/ our new thread for our picks. Funny because Jason would be in charge as the Commish to correct the world we pick in.
1:46 PM, February 23, 2006
Ok, time for a bold statement. If Carlos Beltran is the next Barry Bonds then Anna Benson is still a virgin.
1:50 PM, February 23, 2006
She remains a Camden Yards parking lot virgin, does that count? Granted, that will only last until late March... Bet she's thrilled to be in the AL with so many new parking lots to initiate (couldn't bring myself to use the word "christen").
1:52 PM, February 23, 2006
When did we know that Barry Bonds was Barry Bonds?
2:19 PM, February 23, 2006
About the same time Barry discovered the mystical powers of flaxseed oil... Actually, the comparison was with the young, skinny Bonds in his mid-Pittsburg days where he'd slug 20-35 homers and steal 40+ bases.
2:24 PM, February 23, 2006
If Beltran is a nice guy and ends up w/ a career resembling Kevin Maas' then maybe he is the Bizarro World's version of Barry Bonds...
2:33 PM, February 23, 2006
None of us were alive in 1964, so I fail to see how we learned Barry Bonds was Barry Bonds on that date. I doubt any of us heard of Barry Bonds before the 1980's, so that is the earliest any of us realized Barry Bonds was Barry Bonds, even in the most literal sense. I did not realize until minutes ago that Barry Bonds was Barry Lamar Bonds.
2:39 PM, February 23, 2006
Actually, we learned that Barry Bonds was Barry Bonds on July 24th, 1964 when he was born Barry Lamar Bonds in Riverside, California.
And even if we all hate him, he is still cool, but only because his name is a sentance.
2:42 PM, February 23, 2006
Ah, Kevin Maas. The greatest Yankee prospect since, uh, Brien Taylor?
4:11 PM, February 23, 2006
Wow, my comment doesn't make nearly as much sense before Michael's comment. I posted it after reading his comment, but somehow the clocks are still screwy and it posted in front of his comment. Blah.
5:29 PM, February 23, 2006
If Beltran is the next Bonds, then this is what you should be able to look forward to this year:
129R 46HR 123RBI 29SB .336
8:31 PM, February 23, 2006
I didn't say he was the next Bonds, I just remember ESPN analysts saying it early in 2004, before he was even traded to the Astros. On that note, he should fire Boras. He would have been much happier and more productive in Houston. A few extra million bucks isn't worth the scrutiny, pressure, and lack of privacy he gets in New York.
9:13 PM, February 23, 2006
According to Roy (who's going to argue with him?), Mike Lowell is eligible at 2B and 3B this year. Obviously, Lowell isn't going to be manning 2nd for me or anyone else in this league ... he's now a member of the Red Sox (although if Ichiro can get drafted, why not Lowell?). Lowell at 2B? Seriously. That's ridiculous.
Why isn't fantasy baseball done like fantasy basketball? For those of you unfamiliar with fantasy basketball, the players are assigned different positions they are eligible at based on their skills. Craig Biggio played CF when Jeff Kent was in Houston. Now, he's back at 2B. Now, he only qualifies as at 2B, but his first year back at 2B he qualified for OF too. It strikes me as being a little odd. Just because Alex Rodriguez doesn't play SS anymore doesn't mean he can't. If Dunn plays 1B all year because the Reds have other guys to patrol the outfield he'll lose his OF/1B versatility.
I'm saving the best (possibly) argument for last. It's a simple numbers game. There are 16 teams in the NL. Thus, assuming each team has one starting 1B, 2B, SS, and 3B, respectively (this is being conservative, since some guys may be devalued, and lost for fantasy purposes, because they platoon), there are 32 starting corner IF's and 32 starting middle IF's. We have 10 teams. We almost had 11, which would have been bad. Why? Well, 10 teams means we need 30 starters at the corners and 30 starters up the middle. With 11, we'd need 33 of each, surpassing the total number available.
Where am I going with this simple numbers game? Bill Mueller and Nomar Garciaparra are projected to start at 3B and 1B for the Dodgers. They are projected to be middle IF's in our league. I have Cabrera and Dunn, both projected to start at corner spots, pushed to the OF. Thus, between Tom and I, we have decreased the number of corner IF starters to 28, with 30 needed. That just doesn't jive very well.
9:33 PM, February 23, 2006
Can't you page him or something? This is an emergency!
9:36 PM, February 23, 2006
Jason said: "On that note, (Beltran) should fire Boras. He would have been much happier and more productive in Houston. A few extra million bucks isn't worth the scrutiny, pressure, and lack of privacy he gets in New York."
I agree completely...and at the time of the signing, my biggest argument was this: he is not even being paid more. So he is making $119 million over 7 years in New York compared to $107 million that Houston offered over the same time period. Do you have any idea what the cost of living difference is between Houston and New York?
Well, I will tell you.
The average home price (3000sqft) in suburban New York is $950,000 (which is drastically lowered by the many skethcy areas), whereas the same stat for the Houston area is $310,000. Thats more than triple. And with 100 being the mean, the cost of living index for the New York City area is 204, with Houston being 99. And with groceries costing 1.5 times as much in the NYC area, and gas costing 25 cents more per gallon than Houston...Beltran is actually making significantly LESS money by signing with the Mets for $119 million than if he had signed with the Astros for $107.
So, not only did Boras not care about Beltrans happiness or productivity, he didnt even care about Beltran's pockets...only his own. Sad, but true.
11:06 PM, February 23, 2006
I rule
11:09 PM, February 23, 2006
You know, I would have picked Bonds earlier in the draft than what he went except the mere thought of having him (or pretty much any other Giant) on my team is just about enough to make me vomit. Yet isn't it weird how I actually despise the city of LA and am moving to SF as soon as I wash my hands of this dirty army commitment in six weeks (but I'm not bitter about it)... I guess I'll learn to be an A's fan. I love Billy Bean (and Frank Thomas really does have some production left in him).
11:47 PM, February 23, 2006
Regarding Evan's comments about middle infielders, you have to remember that Jeff Kent is probably going to be a 1B for Michael. Plus, there will probably be at least one or two teams that will be platooning at third (I think those players are also on Michael's roster--ha). So there will be some balance, but you're right that the third CI is probably going to be really weak on a couple teams.
It gets worse for some of us (read me) where closers come in. With only 16 teams and ten of us, you'd think everyone could've gotten at least one closer. But I waited and found myself without even the prospective closers Reitsma and Gonzalez.
5:49 AM, February 24, 2006
I disagree with two things Michael said:
(1) cost of living isn't an issue for people making over $100 million dollars. Beltran isn't going to be living in a $100k house in Houston or a $950k house in NY. He probably bought himself a pretty nice place for a couple million to stay in during home stands while the season is ongoing. I doubt he's staying there during the offseason. So cost of living in NY is only of minimal importance to CB.
(2) Michael does not, in fact, rule. For those of you that don't know, Michael is moving today from beautiful Santa Barbara to New Jersey. These are not the actions of one who rules.
5:56 AM, February 24, 2006
I don't know Michael, but I've been to Dirty Jersey, and I question the motives of anyone moving there. I'm guessing that he's starting a new career in the distribution of crack cocaine. Of course I also find it odd that anyone from Alaska would move to Texas or New Orleans or anywhere else in the South (Roy, you're borderline here).
6:48 AM, February 24, 2006
In my opinion playing Kent at 1B would be a complete waste. Freel has 2B, 3B, and OF eligibility so he can play just about anywhere accept C.
I agree with Evan that 5 games is too few. In other leagues that I've played in it's been 20 games at a position to get eligibility. The fact that Bill Mueller is 2B eligible is ridiculous. Of course it's too late to change things now...
6:57 AM, February 24, 2006
What? Mueller has spent his entire career as a second baseman. You probably didn't notice because they defensively shift him almost all the way to the left side of the infield while simultaneously shifting the third baseman over to the right side of second base. Interesting strategy, but it works.
7:15 AM, February 24, 2006
Its easy to say 5 games is too few when they are no longer playing that position. 5 games can seem like an eternity when you are waiting during the season for a guy to gain elegibility. For instance, Chad Tracy is starting at 3rd this year, but didn't play an inning there last season. He's going to be my 1B now since I missed out on Jacobs/Johnson/LaRoche, but my initial plan was to have him as my 3B, meaning I would have to draft a stop-gap 3B for the first week of the season. Of course, I ended up drafting Atkins so its all moot.
My point is that the system isn't perfect, but its much worse to have to wait 20 games during the season for a player to gain elegibility. Especially when someone is a rookie and has no elegibility while you wait 3+ weeks for them to play enough to stick in your lineup.
7:19 AM, February 24, 2006
Cost of living thing is fun so I thought I'd jump in:
1. Beltran probably rents an apt in NY. I would to avoid property taxes.
2. No income tax in Texas. If he owned a house, he would have to pay property taxes.
He should rent either way, but if he rented in either place, he would make MORE money in Texas because he wouldn't pay as much income tax as NY.
Also, we wouldn't know Barry Bonds was Barry Lamar Bonds until someone tapped on the glass of your nursery the day you were born and told you he existed. That would be November 29, 1976 for myself. In reality, I didn't find out who Barry Lamar Bonds was until told so by Tom Mees, Bob Lee, and Charlie Steiner on ESPN in the early 90s. Before that, me, Bobby Bonilla, Andy Van Slyke, and Jim Leyland had no reason to care.
7:27 AM, February 24, 2006
If I had to put money on it, I'd say LaRoche will play 1B for Michael, not Kent. Kent will be at 2B. That's where he is valuable. Not many 2B left who will match Adam's production.
7:40 AM, February 24, 2006
Evan, if you want to adopt Justin's 20 games for elegibility rule in protest, feel free. Of course, I don't think Fielder would have elegibility yet, so please keep him on your bench the first few weeks of the season in protest.
7:42 AM, February 24, 2006
If Peter was the captain of a ship, would anyone else be crying out for a mutiny at this point? He needs to re-arrange his priorities as follows:
(1) fantasy baseball
(2) save lives
(3) sleep
(4) eat and drink
(5) study testbooks and articles to learn how to save lives
(6) breath
(7) social life
7:45 AM, February 24, 2006
Bill Mueller is a former Giant. Roy, where did he play with the Giants?
Roy: 3B
Mueller is a third baseman.
As for Chad Tracy and 3B ... if he's projected to start at 3B, he should be eligible opening day! Also, another problem with the system.
I have Roger Clemens. Is he allowed to be in my lineup while he is still unsigned, or will I need a stop gap starter?
7:45 AM, February 24, 2006
Does state income tax really save that much?
7:47 AM, February 24, 2006
Depends on what the tax level is. If state income tax is 3%, then 3% of $100,000,000 is $3,000,000. Quite a bit of money. I'm not sure what the rate is in NY, nor do I care enough to find out (though its probably not hard). Between the income tax and the cost of living differences, the money was probably about equal between Houston and New York.
Scott Boras is bad for baseball. Oddly enough, A-Rod is one of the few instances where I don't have a problem with the contract. That was Texas being stupid to pay that much and shouldn't be blamed on Boras. We can blame Boras for Kenny Rogers getting any money and for Jared Weaver thinking he is Mark Prior.
7:50 AM, February 24, 2006
Fielder only started at 1B and DH last year and played in 39 games. Do people who never start lose eligibility? He can't not be eligible anywhere.
7:51 AM, February 24, 2006
If what Jason said is true, eligibility is determined by Yahoo. They have Fielder as a first baseman.
7:51 AM, February 24, 2006
I didn't realize he played 39 games. For some reason, Yahoo! never added him last year so I just assumed he did not meet their elegibility requirements.
I just looked at his info on Yahoo! He played 7 games at 1B (can't tell how many he started), 4 as DH, 29 as pinch hitter, and 1 as pinch hitter for DH. Its conceivable that 3 of the games he played in as a 1B were as a substitution, meaning he really shouldn't be elegible at 1B (and explaining why he wasn't added last year).
Evan, its good to see you abandoning your principles and ideals to your personal benefit. What are you, a member of the Bush administration?
7:55 AM, February 24, 2006
Jeez, I lay down a nice bit of smack and the responses dry up. The least someone can do is give me a little feedback before I am thrown into guantanamo bay prison as an enemy combatant and denied counsel and hearing or transported to a country where torture is allowed and, well, you know...
Big brother is reading my blog after all!
8:20 AM, February 24, 2006
Was your "smack" related to state income taxes? That would be lame. I don't think there will be Gitmo for you, you'll get sent to "federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison." Besides, we all know your a closet Republican.
8:27 AM, February 24, 2006
It frightens me that I'm saying this, but I think I would prefer the "federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison" to the aforementioned alternatives.
I am not a closet anything, I despise both political parties these days. There are some individual politicians I have respect for on both sides, but since Colin Powell and Christine Todd-Whitman (there's some New Jersey for you Michael!) are no longer in the administration, I feel like I can just toss out blanket comments without regret or though (federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison or extra-territorial prisons, notwithstanding).
8:37 AM, February 24, 2006
No, Jason, I just had people for office hours. I never said that people should have to play 20 games to qualify. I never said people should have to play any games to qualify. People should qualify at the positions they are going to play! Fielder is going to start at 1B ... he should qualify at 1B! It is illogical to have players not qualify at a position. That seems like something someone from Texas would come up with (I should know, my in-laws are from TX)! Nomar should qualify at 1B because that is where he is going to play. I don't think he can play SS any more. I don't know how this turned into me campaigning for my guys to qualify at more spots ... oh wait ... I know ... it's one of your slimy lawyer tactics. Tricky. But, I'm not falling for it.
8:38 AM, February 24, 2006
Obviously, it was a joke. You can believe it was a slimy lawyer tactic though, its more fun that way. I knew what your real argument was, I just felt like trying to twist your words into something I could rant about since Peter has apparently dropped either (a) off the face of the earth or (b) into a spleen.
8:39 AM, February 24, 2006
I could care less where anyone plays; however, I wish no ill will on anyone, but I hope Nomar and his groin don't spend much time on the bench.
Heard earlier that Bonds's bum knee is pretty much bone-on-bone now and that he's not expected to play more than 100 games. He'll really need to produce on those 3-4 pitches that he can hit per game.
NY state income tax rate is 4% (sort of work related thus the readiness of info).
For what it's worth, I voted for Bush (et al) but not for LA Gov. Kathleen "It's Bush's fault he made Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans" Blanco or Mayor "Willy Wonka" Nagin (not eligible - outside city limits).
I didn't have time to get Evan's back earlier. I was busy finding out that the baby we're expecting in May will be a little girl!!! Momma's happy.
And we all know that if Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy...
10:26 AM, February 24, 2006
Congrats on the upcoming baby girl!
Randy Johnson is also bone-on-bone in his knee and it seems like pitching would be a lot worse than hitting. Any guesses why there has never been talk about moving Bonds to 1B? Is he scared of grounders or something, because it would be a lot easier on his knee (see Berkman, Lance). It would keep his bat in the lineup more. He could play 1B against righties (sit Niekro) and LF against lefties. Just a thought.
10:42 AM, February 24, 2006
They should just trade him to the Angels. I don't think it's the hitting, I think it's the running and stopping that is bad for Bonds.
Why do we only have 5 SP's? With 6 IF's, 1 C, and 4 OF, that's 11/8 = 1.375. Rounding up to 1.4 ... 1.4 *5 = 7 starting pitchers. Why only 3 relievers? Most teams carry about 6.
11:18 AM, February 24, 2006
One reason is because one bad pitcher can kill a team a lot more than one bad hitter. Plus, we're not trying to mirror real-life bullpens in this league.
11:18 AM, February 24, 2006
I think I deserve a little more respect ... I may be the youngest in the group, but I'm doing the most to save all you New Orleanians from another disaster!
11:20 AM, February 24, 2006
OK Evan, you get both our respect and the nickname "Willy Wonka," for helping rebuild the chocolate city.
11:20 AM, February 24, 2006
Sorry for the delay guys. Long night of no sleep, I'm tired and am going to sleep now...
11:23 AM, February 24, 2006
Can someone let Peter know Penny and Greene are gone? I e-mailed him.
11:33 AM, February 24, 2006
While I hold my breath hoping that someone contacts him before he falls asleep and leaves us in agony for another 8-10 hrs, I had to laugh. Really would have been funny if he selected Ichiro and Lamar Bonds...
11:49 AM, February 24, 2006
Teehee, I made a funny.
11:50 AM, February 24, 2006
ha! that was seriously funny. I didn't know you had it in you
11:54 AM, February 24, 2006
Sorry about the long wait. I didn't anticipate the breath taking speed of the picks that yesterday carried. Once again I was in the middle of 30hr shift. Too show my dedication, I just walked in the door - saw it was my turn - and made my picks. Probably not a smart move considering I last slept 32.5 hrs ago. Oh well. And Jason - those are pretty much in line with priorities, but the damn VA computer system won't let me get access at work. Fantasy baseball = 1st. Patient care = 2nd.
11:59 AM, February 24, 2006
Now I have created a conundrum. How do we know that Peter actually made those picks? I would lean toward believing it was Peter, given the reference to the VA and the fact that unpicked players were actually chosen. But it could be Tom, Evan, Jody, or any number of other people trying to turn my joke against me. Therefore, the wait will continue unless someone has knowledge superior to my own (such as Peter emailing them).
If that was Peter, great pick with Cameron. He was definitely on my radar, especially given his recent statements that he wants to attempt 45 stolen bases this year. Yikes.
12:06 PM, February 24, 2006
It's definitely not my joke because Glavine was #2 on my list of pickees. That's just not funny. And I just got his email.
12:09 PM, February 24, 2006
Evan your last post is still two minutes into my future. I'm guessing that you, therefore, already know my pick.
12:10 PM, February 24, 2006
I predict that Evan will write: So, is Mr. Wonka picking or waiting?
12:11 PM, February 24, 2006
So, is Mr. Wonka picking or waiting?
12:13 PM, February 24, 2006
If Tom got an email (and presumably Wonka got one too), then we're good to go. Please, no one make pretend picks like this in the future, as it will create confusion. As much as a laugh as I got doing it, its not worth the headache since we can all theoretically post under each other's names.
12:13 PM, February 24, 2006
I called Peter and it was definitely him, FYI.
12:20 PM, February 24, 2006
Cameron and Hardy were two of the 3 guys I wanted with my next pick. My #1 option is still available, we'll see if he makes it to me. I think it was better when we weren't picking...
12:21 PM, February 24, 2006
I'm hoping this weirdness is a Friday thing.
12:26 PM, February 24, 2006
Tom, that killed me!
12:27 PM, February 24, 2006
According to the FBI, identity theft is the fastest growing crime. Or something like that. I keep hearing it on the radio. The safest defense is constant vigilance. Or you can call this 1-800 number that they give.
12:28 PM, February 24, 2006
Hardy qualifies exclusively as a SS
12:32 PM, February 24, 2006
...or did I miss that joke?
12:33 PM, February 24, 2006
Wow, the Cubs are the new Brewers
12:43 PM, February 24, 2006
Jason, if Kerry Wood is still rehabbing at the beginning of the season (thus, not pitching in games) are you allowed to keep him in your lineup?
12:46 PM, February 24, 2006
It doesn't matter, he'll be on my bench. Same rule for Clemens, since that's what you really want to know. You need to have 5 guys that are active starting pitchers. A 5th starter who gets skipped occasionally is OK and a pitcher who makes spot starts and some long relief, but doesn't have 3 relief appearances in a row can also be a starter. It is OK to have an inactive reliever in your active lineup, but you must fill your starting pitcher spots. I want to avoid having people with great relievers winning the WHIP and ERA titles just by not using 5 starters.
12:49 PM, February 24, 2006
Nate is going to repick. He's like Peter and is very busy.
1:25 PM, February 24, 2006
Heilman seems like a curious pick. Perhaps, he turned the corner last year (3.17 ERA), but he pitched out of the bullpen most the time (46 of 53 games). I guess with what's left out there, risky guys are as good as guys who you know won't be any good.
3:36 PM, February 24, 2006
Any chance Bonds is using the "bone-on-bone" excuse to weasel his way out of conditioning drills in spring training?
3:46 PM, February 24, 2006
Who the hell is Willie Wonka?
3:49 PM, February 24, 2006
Jason and Jody ... double shame on you for your picks!
4:24 PM, February 25, 2006
I was thinking of McCann, but there are still a ton of catchers available. I'm worried he'll have a bit of a drop-off like Estrada did. Encarnacion was also on my list, but I was still waiting another round or too. His low AVG scared me a way a bit.
4:57 PM, February 25, 2006
Its an interesting point in the draft where managers have to choose between three drafting styles: (1) fill empty positions (this can be done in conjunction with the next two); (2) draft young, unproven, inexperienced players (who may not even get starting spot); and (3) draft a proven but unspectacular veteran.
Probably a good balance of all three results in the best team.
6:28 PM, February 25, 2006
Especially difficult if you don't know if people like Reyes will even crack the top 5.
7:49 PM, February 25, 2006
Yeah, drafting Reyes and Wood obviously means I need another SP somewhere. Not too much left on the board now. The young prospects are getting less proven or more of an injury concern and the veterans are getting worse. Hmm.
7:55 PM, February 25, 2006
Maybe two, but if they pay off, you have a good staff without a huge investment. I was thinking of taking another SP, who I now see will be out until the All-Star break ... glad I didn't go that route. I'll take my chances with a young gun over someone who's injured any day.
8:26 PM, February 25, 2006
That sounds like a recipe for a big offensive year, or era.
8:29 PM, February 25, 2006
All this talk about starting pitchers reminds me that I only have three..."oh, the worry". Should I curse my decision to draft a veteran outfielder and another 2B last round? Maybe. But from years of fantasy baseball experience, you can never have too many middle infielders who dont suck.
9:34 AM, February 26, 2006
Proud to say I drafted at least one LSU product (Hawpe). The only other LSU representative was selected by Nate (Todd Walker).
10:44 AM, February 26, 2006
Unfortunately for me, I am once again on call tomorrow night. So, with the expectation that tomorrow the draft will once again pick up at its superb pace of last week and in an effort to avoid the confusion of last week, I have emailed Jason a list of players so that he may draft for me. Of course, who knows if this is really me typing this message. This is crazy. I definitely think this whole system is flawed (yes, commish I'm looking your way). Not to point fingers or anything. Oh well....
8:09 PM, February 26, 2006
How do hotcakes go?
8:39 PM, February 26, 2006
I meant to comment on Colorado's Luis Gonzalez. He's not super spectacular with the bat, maybe .295-.300 with 15 HR, but he has ridiculous position flexibility. Everything but catcher - 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, and OF. Nice to have him on your team if someone gets injured!
9:57 PM, February 26, 2006
Going back to Heilman, he'll get a shot as the #5 this year and I'm sure if he does well with it, it won't be too hard to bump Zambrano or Trachsel out of the #4 spot. That was my thinking, and he'll get a ass-load of Ks if he gets the innings in.
10:53 PM, February 26, 2006
FYI to all, if Zack doesn't make his picks before work (he's on the west coast), then we probably won't make much progress today, as I don't think he has internet access at work. Always subject to change of course, but if he doesn't pick in the next couple hours then don't expect too much. I do have queues for Michael, Justin, and Peter though.
8:05 AM, February 27, 2006
In my defense of "this system" of drafting, I disagree that it is flawed. If you registered as a blogger like Evan, Roy, Jody, or I have, then no one would be able to impersonate you. This is because all our names have links to our profiles and you need a password. Only people who post as "other" or as "anonymous" leave themselves open to the possibility of being impersonated. So maybe the system has a flaw, but it is easily corrected and avoidable.
I'm going to go ahead and slightly break my own rules. I bet everyone is glad they did not draft Brian Lawrence (torn labrum and rotator cuff - out for most or all of season) or an unnamed Pirates pitcher (100% blockage from blood clot, probably needs surgery and will be out for year). Neither is all that great in the first place, but there isn't much worse in fantasy baseball life then seeing your covetted players injured before the season starts...
11:32 AM, February 27, 2006
I think I'd rather be known as unnamed than Kip anyday. And I don't mind the system. Security concerns aside (which is hardly a concern), this gives me something to do during the day. I mean, uh, something besides diligently working.
11:46 AM, February 27, 2006
All praise Zack and his sacrafices!
12:38 PM, February 27, 2006
Perhaps one of the following works better:
All praise Zack for his sacrafices
or
All thank Zack and his sacrafices
or
All focus on kicking Zack's butt, regardless of any perceived sacrafices he alleges to have made on our behalf
12:40 PM, February 27, 2006
I'm willing to sacrifice Zack for stealing Seo from me. A nice altar, some goat blood--damn goat tastes good
12:45 PM, February 27, 2006
I was going to post those two ... Lawrence had some good years a couple back ... he's the guy I was considering ... but I didn't want to break the rules.
12:58 PM, February 27, 2006
Blame me ... he thought he'd slip another couple of rounds, but I assured him he needed to take him now or he wouldn't get him. Sorry. I'm the axis of evil, all by myself.
12:59 PM, February 27, 2006
Roy is pure evil. Just when I though Jackson had slipped by enough people for me to take him, Roy snatches him. And its no excuse that Roy is just covering his Tony Clark pick-up, it is still evil. Evil. Make sure we have enough goat blood for two sacrafices!
1:00 PM, February 27, 2006
I am hearing rumors that Mark Grace is poised for a career year, just fyi. He has been compared, favorably by some, to Todd Helton, so he's a steal at this point in the draft.
1:20 PM, February 27, 2006
Make that enough blood for three sacrafices, ET...
1:52 PM, February 27, 2006
I thought he was being coy and made a typo. See the following:
"Sacrafeces" aka "Holy Sh**"
1:56 PM, February 27, 2006
I thought about Sullivan but decided I still had too many holes to fill. Guess you weren't as concerned about your holes. I wouldn't be as concerned either, as pitching holes are easier to fill than hitting holes.
2:39 PM, February 27, 2006
I routinely plug my holes with cork until I can find something that offers long-term fit and protection. Uh, never mind. Long day.
And Zack misleads, I finished 2nd in his league last year and won 2 years ago. He murdered everyone last year, wheras I barely won.
Yeah, the Rockies just don't have the hitters they used to.
3:59 PM, February 27, 2006
Jason, you need to trade Jody Wood and Zambrano.
9:47 PM, February 27, 2006
I thought about Randa. He's a guy where you know almost exactly what you will get. .280, 70 runs, 12-15 HR, and 70-80 RBI. Hard to turn down that kind of consistent production this late in the draft and he's a good pick.
5:34 PM, February 28, 2006
I see them ... Niekro and Cedeno.
10:03 PM, February 28, 2006
Thanks....as you know from my queue, I strgonly considered taking Joe "help me" Randa with 16.2 but went for pitching instead....I never thought he'd still be around at 17.9. I am not so big on unproven prospects (I say this as I took Francoeur in the 6th)...but if you can guarantee me .280, 12, 75, and 30 doubles...I'll take that anyday.
4:48 AM, March 01, 2006
Wow, early morning run of action! Does this foretell a big day ahead, or will we be held up by the foreseen and unforeseen alike?
5:02 AM, March 01, 2006
Echo?
Don't draft Bret Boone, he retired today. Don't draft Kip Wells (at least for this season), he elected to undergo surgery to remove a blood clot that should keep him out most or all of the season.
11:51 AM, March 01, 2006
I think you jinxed the early run of action.
12:59 PM, March 01, 2006
Maybe there will be a late run of action? We're doing pretty good, all things considered. Approximately 2/3 done with the draft now.
1:38 PM, March 01, 2006
Definitely no late run of action yesterday or an early run today... Jody? ... echo ...?
5:59 AM, March 02, 2006
If anyone is wondering about my strategy of drafting 3 pitchers (Reyes, Olsen, Petit) without guaranteed starting spots, here it is! Young pitchers are very unreliable and injury prone. I expect one will flop and have poor stats, one will spend the whole season in the minors or most of the season on the DL, and one will fulfill his potential and be a good starting pitcher this year. There's a chance all three will succeed this year, but I doubt it. More likely, I will drop at least one of these guys like a bad habit. However, this gives me protection in case the first guy I drafted (Reyes) doesn't start or in case the 2nd guy I drafted (Olsen) is beat out for a rotation spot by the 3rd guy I drafted (Petit).
Explanation over.
7:48 AM, March 02, 2006
I think you shouldn't be allowed to draft a player unless you can prove that you know how to pronounce his name.
8:09 AM, March 02, 2006
Do you have something against young pitchers without 5-letter last names?
8:29 AM, March 02, 2006
Players with longer names tend to get injured more frequently, its a scientifically proven fact. Think Garciaparra. I'm sweating bullets over Zambrano this year. Five letters is pretty short, so I feel a bit safer with these guys.
Lets see if this miraculously posts before Evan's comment even though I'm writing it after.
8:36 AM, March 02, 2006
If Glendon Rusch is a projected starter this year, but he ends up in the bullpen after the first month, does he still count? He made ~30 appearances out of the bullpen last year while starting 19 games.
Jason has 11 players that have 5 or fewer letters in their last name. Bigs, you are a scientific anamoly to know all of that stuff. Do you ever leave your computer?
8:49 AM, March 02, 2006
Once a pitcher makes three appearances in a row as a starter or reliever, he must be used in that role until his role changes. Rusch can start the season as a starter or reliever for you. However, if he makes 3 starts without a relief appearance, he can't be used as a reliever (until after his next relief appearance). If he makes 3 relief appearances without a start, he can't be used as a starter (until he next makes a start).
8:52 AM, March 02, 2006
Oh yeah, I made that thing up about the length of a player's name. I didn't realize I had that many players with short last names. Maybe the added weight of stitching extra letters onto the back of their uniforms causes injuries over the course of a lifetime...
8:53 AM, March 02, 2006
Can I backtrack to a rules issue? Does Anthony Reyes (5 letters!) not qualify for any pitching spot?
8:54 AM, March 02, 2006
wow, you addressed the rule while i was writing my question. Still, does this mean you can't play Reyes until late April (if he starts)?
8:55 AM, March 02, 2006
I looked at the league and can't even find Reyes, so I may not be able to play him anywhere initially. Yahoo! official rules say that a pitcher becomes available after 3 starts or 5 relief appearances. Last year, Reyes made 1 start and 3 relief appearances. Yahoo! doesn't have him available for any position. The problem is, they have Yusmeiro Petit available, who hasn't even sniffed the major leagues yet, let alone made an appearance (let alone made 4 appearances). I emailed them to see if the can add Reyes...
9:09 AM, March 02, 2006
Ouch. Just looked at Justin's queue. His top 2 players were Duffy and Church, who were picked the two spots before Justin's pick. Had to go with his 3rd option, who probably has more upside than either of the other two but is less guaranteed of playing time. He's gonna think I sent his queue out to everyone again...
9:12 AM, March 02, 2006
So, if Rusch makes 3 starts then makes 3 relief appearances w/out a start, then his stats don't count for either a reliever or starter? I think that's right. Potentially, can he flip-flop all year and there be a period of time where his stats don't count until he establishes his pitching domain?
I'm waiting for some blockbuster trade to go down between a couple of NL teams and a couple of AL teams to see how well Jason will handle the picking/repicking/compensation. I think you can handle it, Commish.
Hey, is Benito Santiago officially retired? Just curious. I thought he was still kicking around in the minors last I heard.
9:21 AM, March 02, 2006
His stats will always count, you just might have to keep flip-flopping him between a SP and an RP. For a guy that is legitimately switching between RP and SP or acting as a spot starter, I will be more lenient. However, the real issue is if a player (say Reyes) starts the year as a reliever, but then moves into the rotation. Once he's had 3 straight starts, he has to be moved into a SP spot instead of an RP spot because he is clearly a SP.
Backe is a good pick. I thought of him instead of Petit or Olsen. I don't think he has as much potential, but he's really pitched well down the stretch the last few years and he could probably put together a full season with an ERA around 3.50 if he doesn't walk so many guys.
9:31 AM, March 02, 2006
I am thinking of making a change to the league format to avoid some of these SP/RP problems. If anyone has a problem, please let me know.
Each team will still have to carry 5 SP and 3 RP. However, to avoid the problems with player elegibility, I was thinking of having 4 SP spots, 2 RP spots, and 2 P spots (P = either elegible as RP or SP). Each manager will be responsible for using the honor system to keep one P spot filled with a relief pitcher and one P spot filled with a starting pitcher. However, this will allow managers to react more quickly when a pitcher's role changes. I will police people's teams occasionally to make sure no one is abusing the system by having an extra SP or an extra RP.
Please respond to this proposed rule change in the next week via email or as a comment. Majority rules.
10:28 AM, March 02, 2006
How does this matter if we need to keep a SP and RP in the P position? Flexibility isn't really gained. If Gagne gets a start in the middle of the season, you still his stats from that start applied to your pitching categories. If Rusch is moved around, back and forth, and Jody plays him wherever he qualifies when the roster is set for that week, it shouldn't matter. Am I missing something?
10:52 AM, March 02, 2006
Last year Hector Carrasco (now with the Angels) was a reliever most of the year, but began starting games late in the season. He did not have SP elegibility until after 3 starts, even though he was elegible as a reliever. Likewise, before Gagne became a closer he was a starting pitcher. I'm not certain, but I believe he would have qualified only as a SP at the beginning of his first season as a closer.
This idea really only helps immediately after a pitcher changes roles after being elegible in another role, where Yahoo! has not yet given the player elegibility at the new role.
As a serious disclaimer, Reyes, for some unknown reason, is elegible as a P, but not an RP or SP. I do have a small stake in the outcome, hence the majority rules approach.
10:58 AM, March 02, 2006
Is the flexibility gained in the yahoo definition of a pitcher as a SP, RP or SP/RP? That's the only thing I can see. If this isn't the "added flexibility", I too am confused.
10:58 AM, March 02, 2006
I think it's a good rule ... like I said earlier, it doesn't make sense for someone to be in the league but not qualify at a position. It's absurd (or enter your own word if you'd like). I was wondering this morning, why doesn't yahoo use a percentage to determine eligibility, or a combination of percents and real numbers ... it would be simple and would definitely improve the system. Then, we wouldn't run into problems like the Reyes one ... or position players not being eligible at any position.
11:04 AM, March 02, 2006
But if a pitcher on a roster as a RP starts a few games, that player's stats still count. It is the same benefit as having a 2B who can be played as an OF even if he never actually plays it during the course of the year. The flexibility here, though, is only shortlived until he takes on the new role as SP more permanently. The more I think about it, the more that that flexibility would have been worth looking for when I was making my pitching decisions. I don't see how the P changes anything.
11:06 AM, March 02, 2006
The new rule won't actually change anything within our league rules set-up ... it will just allow people like the commish (who picked guys who may not have eligibility) to use those players, where they should be used (this is the important part). So, it shouldn't really change the way you would have picked unless you passed on someone because you saw that yahoo didn't have the eligible as a SP even though that was going to be their role.
11:10 AM, March 02, 2006
Every one of my picks was based on that exact situation. I think we may have to redraft.
If the purpose of the proposed rule is to allow rookies to have a position to play, I'm all for it. It's kind of ridiculous otherwise.
11:14 AM, March 02, 2006
I think it just going to be rookies (young guys) and the odd case where someone changes roles (i.e. Smoltz, Gagne becoming closers ... Smoltz returning to the starting rotation).
11:23 AM, March 02, 2006
Too late for this, but it might also be interesting to have a league with 5 starters, 2 middle relief, and 1 or 2 closers as the pitching staff. Put an emphasis on finding decent set-up men
11:25 AM, March 02, 2006
It is an odd-case where a stud (Smoltz) switches roles or where the guy who switches roles becomes a stud (Gagne). However, in a deep NL-only league such as ours, there are players to switch roles every year that could potentially affect the league outcome. Think Ryan Madson, Aaron Heilman (though he pitched in both roles last year), etc.
11:27 AM, March 02, 2006
Actually, since this league has 3 relief pitchers per team and there are only a max of 16 full-time closer in the NL, almost 1/2 of our relief pitcher spots will be filled with set-up men. Decent set-up men like Linebrink and Wheeler are very important in this league. Crappy set-up men like Danys Baez can ruin fantasy baseball seasons!
11:30 AM, March 02, 2006
F you Bigelow. What this league does is emphasize saves. Certain people (Evan) that took three 40 save guys don't need set-up men, which throws off how a team should be built. My vision would be more put us in the position of real GMs--find one good closer, maybe a back-up, and some decent middle relief.
11:38 AM, March 02, 2006
I'm not bitter about not having a closer, but my typos anger me to no end
11:44 AM, March 02, 2006
That's true. However, the managers who took 3 closers by-passed the opportunity to take a better hitter or starting pitcher and will be a little handicapped in those areas. Plus, closers as a whole are notoriously unreliable and injury prone. Off the top of my head, the Dodgers, Giants, Rockies, D-Backs, Cubs, Brewers, Reds, Pirates, and Braves all had multiple closers last year. Some of those teams had 3 different closers over the course of the year. It may not be quite as bad this year, but at least a few proven closers will get injured (Benitez, Gagne, etc. last year), a few unproven closers will flop (Adams, Kolb, etc. last year), and a few unheralded pitchers will rise up to get a bunch of saves. Cheap saves are always available during the season if you pay attention and pick up guys as free agents or off waivers quickly.
11:48 AM, March 02, 2006
Wow, just looked at the NL saves leaders from last year. Both the Braves (XXXX, Reitsma, Farnsworth) and the D-Backs (XXXX, XXXXXX, and Valverde) had three pitchers with 10-15 saves. The Giants had two with around 20 each. By the way, each "X" represents an actual letter. The guys with fewer X's (at least in this example) had more injury problems than the guys with longer names. Guess I was wrong.
11:52 AM, March 02, 2006
I drafted Rusch w/ his ability to start or relieve in mind. If I started him as a SP on a Monday and he became a reliever on Tuesday, it wouldn't be any different than someone getting put on the DL on Tuesday for a week until I could change my lineup.
I like the rule change for two reasons: 1)I have a guy who was in this situation last year and 2)I'm all for seeing someone excel in the league because they made good picks not because someone else had a guy that changed positions mid-week and aren't eligible for a few days and can't gain points as a result.
Getting hurt is a different story. That's a risk we all have.
Is it my fault we're having this whole discussion?
12:11 PM, March 02, 2006
Yes, its mostly your fault. However, it has been an issue in Zack's league the past couple of years. The main issue with his league is that innings pitched is a category for which managers get points. Consequently, managers sometimes try to slip a starting pitcher in as a reliever or get very frustrated when their starting pitcher isn't elegible as a starting pitcher.
12:15 PM, March 02, 2006
I think that brings back my confusion: even if the RP starts, his stats should still count as long as he was on the roster at the position he was eligible for.
The next issue is if a position player pitches. Will his stats count? What about when Marquis pinch hits?
12:17 PM, March 02, 2006
or Dontrelle Willis starts batting 2nd in the lineup?
12:23 PM, March 02, 2006
Peter may have 4 closers ... why didn't you just draft one?
12:55 PM, March 02, 2006
The pitchers stats count (for pitching, not batting - whether the D-Train hits 9th or 2nd, or SF uses pitchers in the 4 hole when Bonds sits) no matter where they are ... but you move them around based on what their role has been lately. The stats will still count if you use them incorrectly, you'll just get a slap on the wrist from our favorite commish.
1:19 PM, March 02, 2006
Sometimes, closers jump ship to be on other teams (see Farnsworth - Yankees - Braves, Baez - D-Rays - Dodgers) even though they'll be setting up. If we're going to have 5 starters and 3 relievers (1 being a closer), should we also have equally distributed hitters, spots 1-8 in the order? I have actually thought of this ... but then shouldn't your players stats be adjusted to the number of AB's they'd get on your cumulative team, not based in reality, with runs and rbi's adjusted too?
1:23 PM, March 02, 2006
I never could tell when the time was right to draft Mike Gonzalez or Bill Fuentes. Besides, I figured I could pursue a trade with one of the more stacked teams.
1:23 PM, March 02, 2006
I don't think it would be bad to have more realistic line-ups. It seems odd that I can play Lee and Delgado at the same time and the same position, while playing another 1B (Nomar) at SS. Maybe some system could be worked out where the stats of the extra CI or MI are a percentage of what they actually do in games (25% of Delgado's stats because he's my #2).
1:30 PM, March 02, 2006
That would also make it more fun because you would have to decide on a weekly basis which one of your star first basemen you want to get full credit for on any particular week.
1:35 PM, March 02, 2006
I agree that something more realistic would be more fun ... perhaps Roy and I will develop something before next season rolls around. The correct answer to when to take Mike Gonzalez or Brian Fuentes is the round before they are going to be selected. Obviously, this is easier said than done.
1:38 PM, March 02, 2006
Easy for you, you know their names
1:39 PM, March 02, 2006
Lots of sports websites have depth charts, including closers. You can easily discover who Fuentes or Gonzalez are by going to www.rotoworld.com or www.sportsline.com/mlb
1:42 PM, March 02, 2006
F$#@. There's nothing like coming in in the morning to see that my two top picks were stolen right in front of me. This is about the 10th time in 10 Mother F$#@ing rounds that Nate or Roy has plucked the one or two F$#@ing players that I wanted right F$#@ing ahead of me. F$#@. What's the deal, you guys don't need F$#@ing outfielders, why are you stealing my F$#@ing Duffy and my F$#@ing Church. Jose F$#@ing Guillen is hurt (somehow I neglected to notice that when I drafted the F$#@er) and I'm the one that needs another F$#@ing OFer, not you.
Though Jason's right, that F$#@er Nady does have more upside, just not a guaranteed starting spot.
At least that other NY F$#@er, Pedro Mother F$#@ing Martinez, isn't playing in this stupid F$#@ing WBC.
That's all the F$#@ing ranting for now. Thanks for listening.
12:08 AM, March 03, 2006
Oh yeah, I like the rule change, I think we should go with it.
Also, can we start talking trades at this point, or are we supposed to wait until the draft is completed?
2:30 AM, March 03, 2006
My intent wasn't to start drafting so many minor leaguers, but I still need a CI and if Shealy gets 300 at-bats, 1/2 in Coors, then he'll probably out-hit anyone remaining. Michael grabbed Randa before me and I was thinking about Koskie for this spot, but decided he wouldn't get many at-bats more than Shealy (plus Nate grabbed him).
Nice rant Justin. If it makes you feel any better, Guillen is trying to be ready for the start of the season and reports so far are good.
5:08 AM, March 03, 2006
Unless Kato knew about Guillen's wrist before me, looks like Guillen is now out because of a wrist injury. Before, I just knew he was recovery from a shoulder injury last year. Good luck with Nady.
9:50 AM, March 03, 2006
Nady ... 4-4 last night ... unfortunately, he's always hot in March and starts to nose-dive about the time the regular season starts. That said, I (Evan) was hoping to snag him cheap just in case this was the year he figured out how to hit ML pitching.
10:43 AM, March 03, 2006
What position is Shealey going to play for the Rocks?
10:44 AM, March 03, 2006
Shealy will play bench. Actually, he might either compete or platoon with Hawpe in (right or left?) field. He'll also back-up Helton, give Helton the occasional day off, and replace Helton if he gets injured (where is that voodoo doll...). Unless he beats Hawpe outright and gets the majority of the playing time in an outfield spot, he's probably not worth much. There isn't much left as CI though, I waited too long putzing around with AAA starting pitchers.
10:49 AM, March 03, 2006
Don't draft Kerry Wood. Oh, wait. Nevermind. More surgery? Yikes. It's time he called it quits.
12:37 PM, March 03, 2006
Well at least its on his knee instead of his shoulder or elbow. Now I need 2 of my 3 young guns to make their respective rotations or I will be stuck cruising the waiver wire.
12:59 PM, March 03, 2006
No one is wagering in this league at this point. If anyone is interested in throwing $20 into a pot and then letting the top 2 or 3 teams split the winnings, let me know. I will throw in $20 if there is enough interst, otherwise I don't really care.
1:53 PM, March 03, 2006
I'll throw in $20
9:44 AM, March 04, 2006
A 6'6" 225 lb shortstop?
8:12 PM, March 05, 2006
Guzman has been moved to LF this spring. Both were uggla picks.
8:30 AM, March 06, 2006
Is Jody's pick (for himself) showing up for anyone else? He said he picked, but I don't see it.
10:35 AM, March 06, 2006
RIP Kirby Puckett
7:41 PM, March 06, 2006
Sorry, I'm at an ADCIRC (adcirc.org) Workshop today and tomorrow ... I'll give Roy a queue so you don't have to wait on me tomorrow.
7:54 PM, March 06, 2006
Bummer for whoever drafted Cintron: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2359426
9:05 AM, March 08, 2006
Um, that would be nobody
10:25 AM, March 08, 2006
Thanks for bursting my freakin bubble....so I was too lazy to do the research and find that out....big whoop-de-doo.
I still rule, and will win this league in a runaway.
11:09 AM, March 09, 2006
Oh where to start?
1. you're welcome
2. we know you're too lazy
3. "whoop-de-doo" is something my mom would write
4. you still, in fact, do not rule
5. you will not win this league
6. try not to play in this league while inside of a runaway
7. what exactly does one do in a "freakin bubble"?
8. finally, where would one find such a product?
11:45 AM, March 09, 2006
1. I appreciate that
2. Dont assume things, maybe I have changed, but just not in regards to this particular issue.
3. Sorry..."whoop-de-dreakin-doo is the modern day nomenclature.
4. How would you know if I rule or not? Judging by most of my draft picks, I do, indeed rule. However, judging by my salary, I indeed do not.
5. I will win this league and you are nobody to trell me I wont.
6. It is nice and comfortable inside of a runaway and I will stay here, thank you very much.
7. One "freaks out" in a freakin bubble...like in the 60s when people would go on "freak outs" to scare the squares.
8. At your local Home Depot, K-Mart, or Costco.
1:24 PM, March 09, 2006
1. Regarding your runaway, what's his name?
2. If I'm correct, I believe "Uptown Girl" is the song to freak people out to--does that play in your bubble?
1:42 PM, March 09, 2006
Her name is Bernice.
"Uptown Girl" is the song that plays, but it is the punk remake by Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.
2:13 PM, March 09, 2006
Where can I get the list you all are using titled: "Guys no one has ever heard of!" I'd like to make my future selections from the list, as that seems to be the "in thing".
2:30 PM, March 09, 2006
Aren't the quarrelling lovers cute?
ET, I think we're making out picks from the "Guys who are most likely to be the next Brien Taylor" list.
4:08 PM, March 09, 2006
Who is Brien Taylor?
4:26 PM, March 09, 2006
Try yahooing or googling his name along with "yankees" or search for him on wikipedia.
4:33 PM, March 09, 2006
Has Taylor been picked in our league yet?
6:12 PM, March 09, 2006
No, I think he's still available...for now
6:20 PM, March 09, 2006
I did my Taylor research ... apparently he was a stud who had some control problems and then lost his velocity after a bar fight injury to his shoulder. Well, actually, I read someone else's research. However, he did get a nice signing bonus ... $1.5 million. I could use one of those. My wife only got 15%. Unfortunately, she doesn't make $10 million in salary.
7:56 PM, March 09, 2006
that's better than my signing bonus with the army... I got a nice set of tan, suede boots and a one-year, all expenses paid luxury vacation to sunny Southwest Asia...
26 more days (but I'm not bitter)...
11:32 PM, March 09, 2006
26 more days assuming there are no more stop-losses (or whatever thay call it that keeps guys past their commitment dates).
Brien Taylor was one of the most hyped prospects ever. He was the #1 overall pick to the Yankees and everyone was immediately talking about how he was a sure-fire future cy young contender, etc. etc. They he blew out his arm and never made it past all the hype. A warning to fantasy owners who draft young, speculative pitchers like Olsen, Reyes, and Petit. Oops...
7:49 AM, March 10, 2006
An interesting small story about Taylor...a guy who just started working w/ us (Rick) was in AA w/ the Yankees around the same time Taylor was in the minors.
Rick was called up to AAA Columbus then had a guy trip behind him while walking down the steps in the stands and fall on Rick's back. Ended up ruining Rick's career. Dislocated non-throwing shoulder and shredded ligaments and cartilage in left knee (throws lefty). I'd like to see him throw. Says he threw a screwball.
6:48 PM, March 10, 2006
Sorry for the length of time it took for me to make my pick. Today was my first day off since 2/21, so I slept in a little bit. Plus, it's getting so much harder to make picks considering everyone now is trying to find the ultimate sleeper. I must also say that many of you have way too much time to spare if you can carry on for so long about Brien Taylor. I can't believe we're almost done with this thing. Who would have thought.
7:11 PM, March 11, 2006
Just in time for me to start my next draft on Wednesday. Yippee!
8:10 AM, March 12, 2006
Hmmm. Taking a long time to make these last few picks. I'm very pleased with the speed of the draft in general though, great job staying on top of your picks everyone. Please register your team in the league (I sent out email instructions before the draft) if you have not done so. I can't post the draft results (when complete) until everyone is registered.
7:48 AM, March 13, 2006
If you look at some of our rosters, we already did a minor league draft. I mean I probably have 5 guys that will start the year in AAA.
No minor league draft. This league is more for fun and I know some of the guys aren't serious enough fantasy players to be interested in a minor league draft.
9:09 PM, March 14, 2006
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